Single sided swing arms
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Re: Single sided swing arms
CBRRRT wrote:Check out my pdf. files on the link below for sssa and car wheel conversion info.
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/ASF_howto.asp
regards,
CBRRRT.
nice one man. thats was very interesting. the only thing i didnt understand was with the spacers. to start off with the difference was 18mm? i dont know how you got 30mm from that.
danidge- MotoGP Rider
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Re: Single sided swing arms
if your viffa wheel has an 18mm offset and your new wheel has a 40mm offset then you dont add the two together.
40mm - 18mm = 22mm
you need an 8mm spacer to centre the wheel in the frame because when the viffa arm goes in and the front and rear sprockets line up, then the wheel is 8mm to far to the left.
now add that 8mm to the 22mm and you get a 30mm spacer.
Hope that helps mate.
Jon.
40mm - 18mm = 22mm
you need an 8mm spacer to centre the wheel in the frame because when the viffa arm goes in and the front and rear sprockets line up, then the wheel is 8mm to far to the left.
now add that 8mm to the 22mm and you get a 30mm spacer.
Hope that helps mate.
Jon.
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Re: Single sided swing arms
so is the 8 mm just to get the wide wheel out of the way of the chain? i might have to look at this another time when im less tired tbh.
danidge- MotoGP Rider
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Re: Single sided swing arms
no mate, it doesnt matter if you use the viffa wheel in the viffa arm, when you graft it into the Blade, the arm and the wheel is 8mm to far to the left, so to correct the alignement of the front and rear wheel you need an 8mm spacer.......... then for a car wheel with a 40mm offset you'll need a 22mm spacer.
add the 8mm and tha 22mm together and you get a combined spacer of 30mm.
It seems a little confusing, but once you get your head round it, its really quite simple.
hope that helps mate.
add the 8mm and tha 22mm together and you get a combined spacer of 30mm.
It seems a little confusing, but once you get your head round it, its really quite simple.
hope that helps mate.
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Same thing happened to me mate. Its an arse ache but I would strongly advise you put it on ebay and get the right arm. All the info, including manufacture codes can be found on my pdf file matey.
follow the link I posted earlier, open the pdf. file, then save it in your docs. You can also do that for the car wheel conversion.
follow the link I posted earlier, open the pdf. file, then save it in your docs. You can also do that for the car wheel conversion.
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
When you get the right arm, I would be happy to come over and help you fit it (f.o.c) as I'm only across the water from you in harwich. I you prefer to do it yourself then PM me your address and I can post you the castle socket you'll need to do the job. I only ask you return it when you've done.
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Ok.i dont want to sound thick as f**k but..i thought you only needed a 25mm spacer on the right hand end of the VFR arm for it to fit and be central and didnt see any mention of an 8mm spacer on the left.
Also it your thread you said a 35mm spacer and then later on it was o 25mm spacer .Sorry but please clarify for a confused Jock..Thanks
Also it your thread you said a 35mm spacer and then later on it was o 25mm spacer .Sorry but please clarify for a confused Jock..Thanks
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Iused a 25mm spacer because that was the information I found on the web, but once in it was clear it was about 10mm to short. So my advice to anyone about to do the conversion is to use a 35mm spacer.
The spacer above goes to tha right of tha arm when in position, and is there to close down the adjuster nut [castle nut] onto.
The arm must be fitted in the frame bang tight to the left side of the frame to get the front and rear sprockets to linr through. The problem is by doing that tha centre of the rear tyre is now 8mm to far to the left and requires a spacer of 8mm on the rear hub to bring it back to centre.
this brings the centre of the wheel to + 0 and - 0 [Dead
centre]
this is all you'll need for a VFR wheel.
When or if you buy your car wheel and find the offset of 40mm you will need a 22mm spacer.
Now add that 22mm to the 8mm and you have a combined spacer of 30mm. Because of this you will also need longer wheel studs, I used Ford 63mm long (M12/1.5)
When the tyre is fitted it will be on the same centre line as the front and should not affect handling or tyre wear.
I only discovered the needfor the 8mm spacer when doing the car wheel conversion, and my sums didnt add up.
Originally I followed the instructions someone else had posted on the net for the swing arm conversion, it wasnt till I got into it a bit deeper I found the information was a little off.
hope that helps.
The spacer above goes to tha right of tha arm when in position, and is there to close down the adjuster nut [castle nut] onto.
The arm must be fitted in the frame bang tight to the left side of the frame to get the front and rear sprockets to linr through. The problem is by doing that tha centre of the rear tyre is now 8mm to far to the left and requires a spacer of 8mm on the rear hub to bring it back to centre.
this brings the centre of the wheel to + 0 and - 0 [Dead
centre]
this is all you'll need for a VFR wheel.
When or if you buy your car wheel and find the offset of 40mm you will need a 22mm spacer.
Now add that 22mm to the 8mm and you have a combined spacer of 30mm. Because of this you will also need longer wheel studs, I used Ford 63mm long (M12/1.5)
When the tyre is fitted it will be on the same centre line as the front and should not affect handling or tyre wear.
I only discovered the needfor the 8mm spacer when doing the car wheel conversion, and my sums didnt add up.
Originally I followed the instructions someone else had posted on the net for the swing arm conversion, it wasnt till I got into it a bit deeper I found the information was a little off.
hope that helps.
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Clear as mud...no just joking thats great thanks.Merry Crimbo to all.
tomtom- CBT Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
That would be great mate, but how do I get another poor sap to buy the wrong arm???
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Re: Single sided swing arms
the arm you have will fit a GSXR or a Bandit mate, so its only the wrong arm for a Blade.......... Its not all bad.
I sold my early arm to some German guy and sent it with "Inter-parcel" to Germany for 8 quid. I think it weighed 14kg.
I sold my early arm to some German guy and sent it with "Inter-parcel" to Germany for 8 quid. I think it weighed 14kg.
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Nice one mate, I'll do that, I have a new set of bearings for the hub, is it worth keeping the hub or sell the whole lot without new bearings???
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Re: Single sided swing arms
you can use the hub on either mate as they are the same. I would hang on to it my self and see if you can buy a cheaper 96 arm without a hub.
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
I'll do just that mate, rapid777 did make one work and I haven't got a lotta cash to abandon this one. My trouble is I buy summat and then take 6 months to see if it fits. Thanks for that mate.
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Re: Single sided swing arms
I guess you could get hold of an old blade arm and cut the shock lug off it and have it ally welded between the two lugs on your arm then trim off the two lugs on your arm when you have it located just right. Might work matey!
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
cheers mate, i'll get my front end sorted in the nexr few weeks and then have a look at sorting the back end when i get some more cash. Thanks for your help mate.
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Re: Single sided swing arms
your welcome matey
CBRRRT- Trackday Novice
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Hi CBRRRT,
I just read yr pdf.
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing that.
Thats another mod I'll be adding to the list!
I just read yr pdf.
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing that.
Thats another mod I'll be adding to the list!
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Re: Single sided swing arms
Your welcome mate.
I've been following the advice of a "how to" on here
and made a jig to hold my front wheel so I can paint it
to match my rear wheel.
I'll let you know how it comes out.
I've been following the advice of a "how to" on here
and made a jig to hold my front wheel so I can paint it
to match my rear wheel.
I'll let you know how it comes out.
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